The images on this page are from a line of seedlings which first bloomed in 1995 from the improbable cross of LIGHT OF DETROIT X WHEN I DREAM. It is always a problem when you cross reds and yellows together. The results are almost always muddy reds and poor colors. That is exactly the results we got in the first generation. But, the blossoms had the flatness of the LIGHT OF DETROIT with a promise of the red of WHEN I DREAM. We made numerous sib crosses and came up with a variety of very interesting results. It was in the third generation that the line began to show what it could do with such seedlings as 01-3, 00-6, 02-4 and others. 

 Only those who are familiar with LIGHT OF DETROIT can fully visualize what we mean by flat. Many flowers that are described as flat in today's introductions are not so when compared to L.O.D. and the babies in this line.


ABOVE: FIRST GENERATION LIGHTS OF DETROIT X WHEN I DREAM The colors scanned much better than they show in person. All of the first generation were destroyed due to low bud counts and/or poor coloration. Most were muddy reds and purples.   

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                          01-3                                                          2003 introduction SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE

The throat on 01-3 is 4 1/2'' and is a deep green that lasts the day well. The flower has heavy substance which lasts the day well. Unfortunately, the bud count is only moderate at around 18 and the plant increase is below average. If there is another cultivar or seedling anywhere with a throat like this one we don't know about it. Seedling 01-3 is now known as KERMIT'S SCREAM. 

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The two images above are direct babies of SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. The remarkable thing is the amount of green. Of course, the second image has terrible form. But the intensity of green on the petals and the sepals makes it remarkable. The first image has a very pleasing form but with a little less of the green. In person the first flower was very pleasing to many who observed it. It may be good enough to introduce. The first images is of the results of LAST MIDNIGHT being crossed to SE. The second is a SE cross with PURPLE EYED FANTASY. The important thing here is the level of green that SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE is capable of putting into the babies. 

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 A cross of SHARON'S DELIGHT and a SE seedling, 08-4 produced several seedlings that are open for two days. The blossom on the left is the current day's flower as seen in the morning. The blossom on the right is that from the previous day. By afternoon both blossoms will be open with flower from the previous day remaining in decent condition for enjoyment. You will have no appreciation for what the image demonstrates unless you view the image in its full size.  



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At a recent meeting of the Myrtle Beach hybridizer's group, Barry Matthie of Ontario, Canada, turned to me with a gleam in his eye. He told me that I need to see what SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE did when crossed to spidery/unusual forms. Barry showed me a print of the above image. I was almost speechless. The seedling was even better than I hoped would occur from such a cross. This result along with several others that he has obtained demonstrate the extreme potential of SE used this way. To me this image screams out for use in the popular unusual form hybridization. The above seedling is now introduced by Barry as THE FREAK. It bloomed here last year and was impressive. 



So many things make SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE special. First of all is the substance. This is a diploid which has more substance than any tetraploid we have ever seen by a factor of 50 to 75%. This level of substance proved its worth when a driving, one hour rainstorm turned every other blossom in our extensive plantings into tissue paper. 00-6 was hardly affected. A normal hot July day does nothing to this flower. It is very fertile and we anxiously await the blooming of many hundreds of diploid seedlings from it this coming summer. But what is even more amazing to us is that we have been able to produce viable seed from Substantial Evidence breeding it to tets. We expect the substance and flatness of this one may have the ability to do some marvelous things at the tet level. Because of the throat the flower can measure in excess of seven inches. This type of throat may make it possible for a daylily to produce a much larger flower than currently without any more drain on the reserves of that plant than there are now. There is no more flower there in this type, it just looks so much bigger due to the opening of the throat.


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These nine images are some of the more  recent results of the breeding from SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. The initial startling results from the breeding toward the "no-trumpet" look in daylilies are paying off. We have identified almost a dozen new babies that look like future introductions from this line. They carry a beauty and distinction that sets them apart from all other daylilies. They will not be confused with anything else on the market. They are all the products of several generations of line breeding. This means that they will easily stamp many of their progeny with the extra flat no-trumpet look. We are looking to a '07 release date for many of these. We had planned to release many of these in '05 however they were victims of the infamous "clay soup" bed.  Most carry the same extreme substance of their parent, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. This generation represents a big leap forward in color and beauty in this line.   



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This seedling 03-3, from SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, is proving to be a most exciting breeder in this great line. The babies seem to leapfrog into the category of some of the larger, fancier diploids. They also seem to be producing a clarity of color that is not present in this line as much as it is in some of my unrelated lines. 03-3 should be ready to introduce in 2008. This winter I have taken a larger number of diploids into the greenhouse for use with this seedling. They amount to about 50% of the plants taken in for hybridization this year. Previously the plants in the greenhouse were almost exclusively tetraploid. I am passing up the opportunity to cross many tets to concentrate on using this particular seedling with some of the few decent diploids I still own. I mention that to illustrate my faith in this seedling. Here are just a few of the seedlings from 03-3. 

2007 note: The image on the opening page of the web site shows seedling 03-3 as it appears in the greenhouse. It shows even better there than outside. We see that as a confirmation of what genetics underlie this seedling. It furthered our resolve to use 03-3 as a mainstay of our diploid program. It also spurred us to treat a fair number of fans in the summer of 2007. These plants are now looking pretty good and we hope that one may bloom in the greenhouse this winter. If so we are incredibly anxious to use the pollen on the tets we have there. If the breeding results at the tet level are commensurate with the results at the diploid level we will see some truly fine seedlings.  

2008 note: You have probably noticed already that this seedling has become one of our 2009 introductions under the name, IDA MAE NORRIS. Last year's attempt at conversion went the way of our other attempts. I do not seem to have been able to get any tet babies from the conversion attempts. I hope that there will be some others that will put their experience to use and have more success than I have had. I have little doubt that a converted piece of this one would be a hybridizer's dream.   


The seedlings below are dip babies from IDA MAE NORRIS. There is one that is spectacularly missing, 06-1. It is far and away the best. I was so elated to find it AGAIN and use it this past summer that I neglected to get an image of it. It is simply one of the prettiest daylilies I have even seen. 


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All four of these diploid seedlings from 03-3 are large with clear coloration. The very large throats command your attention from a distance. The third has a shade of electric red that could hardly be more pleasing.

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This beauty, seedling 08-3, is the likely heir-apparent to IDA MAE NORRIS. First blooming in the summer of 2008 08-3 further intensified our belief in the breeding ability of IDA MAE NORRIS. This wonderful blossom is a little flatter and little larger than the parent. The petals and the sepals are both wider. It is also a bit better colored outside. Essentially I would describe the pink of 08-3 growing outside as the same as what we see on the parent in the greenhouse. This seedling as well as the one below are interim steps in the progress towards the hibiscus form in this line of diploids. The lack of recurve we see in 08-3 is what we are striving toward. The size of 05-2 below is a good step in the right direction. If it were not recurved I suspect the flower would measure more like 9-10".  









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